English in pool

by Hotuusau 31/10/10, 11:44 pm

First topic message reminder :

Ngày xưa hồi sinh viên Hotuusau cũng khoái tiếng Anh lắm! Xong quả bằng A Streamline là cũng thấy tự tin lắm rồi! Hà nội thì Tây ba lô nhiều, theo kinh nghiệm của mấy em học ngoại ngữ là cứ đi theo mấy anh Tây ba lô nói chuyện thì học hỏi được khối vốn tiếng Anh, cứ thế HTS cũng đón đường mấy anh Tây ba lô nguyện làm hướng dẫn viên không công mong học được chút kiến thức.
Đang đi, chợt đi ngang qua nhà thờ một anh Tây chỉ vào hỏi: - What?
HTS bí quá, vừa học hôm qua mà bỗng quên tịt mất bực thật, nhìn vào thấy chữ "Giê-su" liền đáp: - It's Giesu office! mấy anh Tây gật gù ra vẻ hiểu làm cho HTS hứng chí.
Lại đi qua nghĩa trang liệt sĩ, mấy ông Tây lại hỏi. HTS không biết cách nào đáp: - Ơ me ri cừn pằng pằng, vi xi đai! Rồi mấy ông Tây cũng gật gù ra hiệu hiểu! Đấy tiếng Anh vậy đấy!

by Hoàng Hùng Sơn 11/04/11, 10:51 am

Chí Phèo đã viết:
hoanghungson đã viết:Who know "Break a leg", what does it means?
"Break a leg" phải chăng "là liệu cơm gắp mắm"

Break a leg means "Good luck!" If you want to say good luck to some one, you can say "Break a leg!" Hi hi...

by chipheo 14/04/11, 01:43 pm

Thế "liệu cơm gắp mắm" thì dịch thế nào bác Sơn ơi?

by Hoàng Hùng Sơn 14/04/11, 02:11 pm

chipheo đã viết:Thế "liệu cơm gắp mắm" thì dịch thế nào bác Sơn ơi?

Anh Chi pheo cứ khiêm tốn, chắc anh biết thừa nhưng cứ hỏi thử HHS đây mà.
Thôi được anh đã hỏi thì cứ xin phép trả lời vậy.
Nếu nói đến mắm và cơm thì chắc mấy chú Tây cũng há hốc mồm chẳng hiểu nó là cái mô tê chi cả. Cơm thì cũng ít ăn, mắm lại càng chẳng biết là thứ gì. Vậy nên "Liệu cơm gắp mắm" mấy anh chị Tây sẽ nói là: "Cut your coat according your clothes" đấy là văn phạm chuẩn đấy, không phải HHS bịa ra đâu!

Nhân tiện anh Chí cho đáp án "cãi chày cãi cối như thế thì không chi cho một cắc nào cả" như anh đã nêu câu hỏi đi. HHS cũng đã thử dịch nhưng chưa khả quan lắm. Công nhận câu này hay thật.

by Chí Phèo 14/04/11, 05:04 pm

Rất đồng ý với quan điểm của Sơn rằng Tây họ chả có từ như cơm, nước mắm, dưa chua muối, có chăng chỉ là khái niệm rất mơ hồ vì người ta không sử dụng THỨ này. Cũng như chày và cối thì làm sao người ta biết được đó là cái quái quỉ gì đúng không cả nhà. Điều Chí muốn nói ở đây là cách vận dụng ngôn ngữ khi chúng ta sử dụng nó. Trong câu "cãi chày cải cối thế này thì không chi cho nó một cắc" khi chuyển ngữ, chúng ta cũng phải rất linh hoạt tìm ra và nhận biết rằng không thể dịch nguyên nghĩa của nó được mà phải tìm một nghĩa gần để diễn tả thôi. Có điều để diễn tả như thế nào cho phù hợp và nghe nó bản ngữ thì trong câu này keyword cho từ một cắc Chí tôi thấy người bản ngữ sử dụng "a single cent" còn cãi chày cãi cối thì phải chuyển nghĩa theo cách hiểu là cãi nhau vô lý thôi. Đấy là quan điểm của riêng Chí. Bản dịch của Mạnh cũng rất hay. Đối với Chí, mình sẽ dịch thế này:
With the argue of illogical like that, We will never give him a single cent
Theo cách nghĩ của Chí là thế, xin thêm đóng góp của mọi người.

by Hoàng Hùng Sơn 11/05/11, 01:42 pm

It's long time no see you on this topic, Chi?
Your translation above is one of the very good stuff.
Many more interesting, please!

by jamestoan 13/05/11, 11:17 am

Your suggestion are great dear Shawnfohh

My English is not so good however communicate by English is my must job
Please (pls) go ahead with your plan and posting 1 topic per week for discusion is my suggestion
All members in this forum are great and English is seem an interesting discusion

shawnfofhh đã viết:Dear friends and members,
in order to connecting the people who would love to learn, exchange the foreign language studying experience, on behalf of Admin, members of forum, I would love to create a foreign language club to meet the demand of people, who like studying foreign language.
With the purpose of exchange the learning experience, learning from each other, I suggest that: the club encourage self - compose production and use English is the main language to deal with each other. I hope that, the club is going to be a useful platform to who those interested of foreign language and hope members support this idea.
Thanks so lot and I highly appreciate your feedback, your discussions on this.
With best regards
shawnfofhh

by shawnfofhh 13/05/11, 11:47 am

Hi Toàn,
Great to hear you and hope to drink with you again, it is great also to get the suggestion of yours on this topic. Sơn. Quý, Mạnh, Canhchimbatgio and other, pls contribute on this and our Forum till waiting for your contribution.

By the way, could someone translate in to English with this sentence: “sáng đi chợ nhớ mua vài lạng thịt ba chỉ để trưa nay nấu món cà bung” imagine this is everyday life English and pls putting you on the situation that: you have no dictionary, no google, no computer, no translation accessory. Pls go ahead?

by Tức Anh Ách 13/05/11, 11:48 am

Hey, smart guys!
I am woman but I want to join this club!

Pls let me use the tone of HHS: share & success!
Shawnfofhh, it is useful to open this topic as flatform for dealing to each other, to join, to upgrate our skills in communication & business, to gather information in order to take advantages of opportunities & void risks!

I do hope you will be a key person to make this topic interesting, that I will be a active member usually!

Good luck!

by Chí Phèo 13/05/11, 11:58 am

yeuanh đã viết:Hey, smart guys!
I am woman but I want to join this club!

Pls let me use the tone of HHS: share & success!
Shawnfofhh, it is useful to open this topic as flatform for dealing to each other, to join, to upgrate our skills in communication & business, to gather information in order to take advantages of opportunities & void risks!

I do hope you will be a key person to make this topic interesting, that I will be a active member usually!

Good luck!

Hey, I like woman vere much, expecialy the woman who join this topic to share, contribute and whatever...

by jamestoan 13/05/11, 12:12 pm

Hi Shawnfofhn,

Thanks for your kind words.

I do not know some how, I could not remember whether I drunk with u or not.
My English is mainly in foreign trade then the local language is not my strength anyway, it might be translate like this: this morning shopping, Remember to buy some mixed pork 4 double cook with "cà" 4 lunch (sorry, i could not remember what is stand 4 "ca")

Well, Vietnamese are very hard to learn and very difficult to translate word by word,
My English could not translate "Nàng đẹp sắc nước nghiêng trời, với đôi mắt bồ câu biết nói, mũi dọc dừa, khuôn mặt trái xoan toát lên sự thông thái, đáng yêu" pls help me.

shawnfofhh đã viết:Hi Toàn,
Great to hear you and hope to drink with you again, it is great also to get the suggestion of yours on this topic. Sơn. Quý, Mạnh,Canhchimbatgio and other, pls contribute on this and our Forum till waiting for your contribution.

By the way, could someone translate in to English with this sentence: “sáng đi chợ nhớ mua vài lạng thịt ba chỉ để trưa nay nấu món cà bung” imagine this is everyday life English and pls putting you on the situation that : you have no dictionary, no google, no computer, no translation accessory. Pls go ahead?

by Hoàng Hùng Sơn 13/05/11, 01:43 pm

jamestoan đã viết:...Well, Vietnamese are very hard to learn and very difficult to translate word by word,
My English could not translate "Nàng đẹp sắc nước nghiêng trời, với đôi mắt bồ câu biết nói, mũi dọc dừa, khuôn mặt trái xoan toát lên sự thông thái, đáng yêu" pls help me.

Hi jamestoan, it's glad to hear from you.
Yes, it's so tough to translate word by word from a language to another, ok I am trying with your deal:

Some key words:
A face that could launch a thousand ships: this idiom to conduct a very very beautiful girl (from Troy wall story)
An expressive dove-eyes or emotive dove-eyed: haiza, it's really hard to find out a exactly word for this stuff.
A long straight nose
An oval face
Look brainy and lovely

So, may it is: "That's a wonderful nymph, with an expressive dove eyes, long straight pretty nose, an oval brainy and so lovely face, she could launch a thousand ships"

That's my best try and still need the dictionary for some words. May you have some comment?

by Chí Phèo 13/05/11, 03:42 pm

Thật không hề giản đơn chút nào các bạn nhỉ. Đấy, những câu sử dụng hàng ngày, nó gắn liền với cuộc sống thường nhật của mỗi chúng ta là thế, đúng như nhận định của Chí phèo rằng nếu chúng ta không sử dụng các công cụ hộ trợ dịch thì khó lòng mà dịch được trọn nghĩa các câu mà các bạn nêu ra từ trước đến giờ, tuy rằng some trong chúng ta hàng ngày phải dùng cái thứ tiếng đó để làm việc, để kiếm sống. Thế là qua một survey nhỏ vậy thôi chúng ta đã biết mình đang đứng ở đâu giữa biển trời mênh mông của kiến ngoại ngữ, thử hỏi facing thực tế cho nhưng trường hợp nêu trên thì chúng ta phải xử lý thế nào?
Vấn đề cần bàn bạc ở đây là "nhân vô thập toàn" không ai có thể nói rằng mình hoàn hảo cả. Bạn tốt, giỏi ở lĩnh vực này chưa hẳn sang một lĩnh vực khác bạn đã thành công. Đứng ở phương diện này mà nói thì sự giao lưu, học hỏi lẫn nhau là vô cùng cần thiết để mỗi chúng ta ngày một hoàn thiện hơn, vững trải hơn, rắn chắc hơn trên chặng đường mà cuộc đời này dành tặng cho mỗi chúng ta. Để thực hiện được mong ước đó, mỗi chúng ta phải không ngừng học hỏi, học hỏi từ cái nhỏ bé đến cái lớn lao, học từ cuộc đời, học từ bè bạn vì rằng sự học không bao giờ có nấc thang cuối. Người Tầu có câu “活到老，学到老" - sống tới già thì phải học tới già là vậy đó các bạn ạ.

by jamestoan 13/05/11, 04:28 pm

Thanks 4 your effort dear HHS, your English are excellent!

For Vietnamese, as we have some small nose, a narrow eye, small face then a long straight nose, oval face & dove eyes are seem to be very special and usually used for describe someone, however, for Western, they are very normal, and seem to be some funny to use the words for discribe someone.
"A face that could launch a thousand ships" are very good discribe way and it seem could not be stand behind the words
Then, translation will be base on circumstances, can not word by word

Here is easier : "Cô ấy mặc một cái váy rất gọi cảm và ném cho tôi 1 cái nhìn không kém phần gợi cảm như thế" pls translate.

by jamestoan 13/05/11, 04:34 pm

wow!
"Hey, smart guys!
I am woman ..."

How should we call you, lady?

yeuanh đã viết:Hey, smart guys!
I am woman but I want to join this club!

by Chí Phèo 13/05/11, 04:56 pm

jamestoan đã viết:Thanks 4 your effort dear HHS, your English are excellent!

For Vietnamese, as we have some small nose, a narrow eye, small face then a long straight nose, oval face & dove eyes are seem to be very special and usually used for describe someone, however, for Western, they are very normal, and seem to be some funny to use the words for discribe someone.
"A face that could launch a thousand ships" are very good discribe way and it seem could not be stand behind the words
Then, translation will be base on circumstances, can not word by word

Here is easier : "Cô ấy mặc một cái váy rất gọi cảm và ném cho tôi 1 cái nhìn không kém phần gợi cảm như thế" pls translate.

With an expression glance to me by a woman in sexy skirt. That is for reference only. Shall you give out another?

by jamestoan 13/05/11, 05:13 pm

Yes, that is good but i like: "she wore a very provacative dress n gave me a such look"

by Hoàng Hùng Sơn 13/05/11, 05:35 pm

jamestoan đã viết:Thanks 4 your effort dear HHS, your English are excellent!

For Vietnamese, as we have some small nose, a narrow eye, small face then a long straight nose, oval face & dove eyes are seem to be very special and usually used for describe someone, however, for Western, they are very normal, and seem to be some funny to use the words for discribe someone.
"A face that could launch a thousand ships" are very good discribe way and it seem could not be stand behind the words
Then, translation will be base on circumstances, can not word by word

Ha, ha, thanks for your nice words,
Yes, it's so funny to describle a sexy girl with these word of coconuts, doves, birds... But dove-eyed and oval face are things could be acceptable, I think.
Do you have any other output for above sexy girl description hah?

by Hoàng Hùng Sơn 14/05/11, 08:43 pm

Ok, let's deal with this topic through communication, beside trying to translate some native potato, as we agreed, should we raise up a subject and people will join to discuss on it.
Let's go with subject today "Do you remember when you have the first drink? What's your felling at that time?"

by jamestoan 15/05/11, 09:24 am

Can u pls go 1st? just comeback from singapore n i have had a very long funny day

by Chí Phèo 15/05/11, 04:04 pm

Sơn, Pls go ahead with your 1st Drink?

by Hoàng Hùng Sơn 15/05/11, 05:10 pm

It's very enjoyable to do something at first, I had raised up this question, it's not fair to be self-supporting to go at first.
You guys, pls!

by jamestoan 16/05/11, 02:51 pm

ha..ha.. i c your mean.
Sorry 4 late posting, i have some busy after short biz trip.
Ok, i will be 1st one to share my unforgetable story of my 1st drink.
It is around 16 years ago, when i was a final year of high school, the 1st drink in my life was in winter season, very cold . And, at that time, i did not have much money, as u can c, i live relied on my parent. i could not understand why, in a romance cloudy afternoon, i have had invited 2 schoolmate to my house with a half of 650ml bottle of my family wine (very hard wine, about 42% alc ), some peanuts, 3 boys did drink easily, and all of us want to drink more & more, we decided to buy 1 more 650ml bottled with some biscuits, we continued compete to drink, the bottle was empty and no one want to lost to other, 1 my friend want to buy more, however, i feel enough and i suggested that we should visit a beautiful classmate girl instead of more drink, my suggestion was welcome with a big hand.
3 of us visited the girl at around 20pm, 1 boy went actively with a dirty old jacket of his grand father, i knew he some drunk but i want to noticed him the jacket when comeback only, the other boy was went very classic, some time relied his arm on my shoulder and talked loudly, 15 minutes walking, we arrived the girl's house, she was learning at that time, she quickly open the gate n welcome us to her house, 2 boy became very silent, leave me alone to talking to her, regretfully, she is my family relative, otherwise i might have had a big benifit at that night. Anyway, i have had a very active conversation with her for only about 30 minutes because 2 my friends was becoming harder to seat stable.
Explained to her and say some sorry on behalf of us, we leaved the girl house and comeback home, on the way to comeback, 2 boy became more active, talking & talking, something also fulled out from their mouth, their legs went like a classic dance, i also some tired however, i feel ok, may be my legs also dance classic at that time. I noticed the boy wore the jacket, he feel unhappy and realize the situation, 3 of us say good bye and back home with a funny night.

16 years over, we still remember the story and we are still talking about the story when drink together.

That is my story.

by Tức Anh Ách 16/05/11, 03:42 pm

Well, you seem enjoy with English topic. Very well for practice here, then your skill will be raised up!

But, fisrtly, you should detach English with your mother tone in translation. Writing in English needs exact grammar, consice paragraph & professional vocabulary. While talking needs simple, popular words & sometime body language or melody. When report or write a story, the worthy words & concisely are important, because readers will be bored with lack of information in long story. That is why short news used on TV instead of saying all, while politic speech only for fewer people.

Secondly, when you want to raise up your skills, you should practice with language structure. Here is English, that you need to build sentences carefully before omit words or using alternative. Because it will destroys your habit in rhetorical, then makes your skill keep flatted only.

To be continue ...

Above is my idea based on my poor experience, but I hope it would be useful for your language that you might use for professional works.
I like a sentence means: if you want to build a high building, you should invest to a well foundation.

Right, guys?

by jamestoan 16/05/11, 04:09 pm

Dear yeutham,

thanks for your comment and advise.

as per previous noticed, my English is in Foreign trade and biz English is the simplest, i m not going to become a teacher or English professor.

I c your English is quite good in vocabulary, grammar however, the way to say or write something is seem still in Vietnamese way and not at really high level.

This is forum for loving English people not a total English course, anyway, you can open a topic for studying.

Destroyed is easier than construction then please contribute something instead of making noise. Thanks !

yeutham đã viết:Well, you seem enjoy with English topic. Very well for practice here, then your skill will be raised up!

But, fisrtly, you should detach English with your mother tone in translation. Writing in English needs exact grammar, consice paragraph & professional vocabulary. While talking needs simple, popular words & sometime body language or melody. When report or write a story, the worthy words & concisely are important, because readers will be bored with lack of information in long story. That is why short news used on TV instead of saying all, while politic speech only for fewer people.

Secondly, when you want to raise up your skills, you should practice with language structure. Here is English, that you need to build sentences carefully before omit words or using alternative. Because it will destroys your habit in rhetorical, then makes your skill keep flatted only.

To be continue ...

Above is my idea based on my poor experience, but I hope it would be useful for your language that you might use for professional works.
I like a sentence means: if you want to build a high building, you should invest to a well foundation.

Right, guys?

by Tức Anh Ách 16/05/11, 04:30 pm

Well, Jamestoan!

I guess you are aggressive man, while not only you doing in foreign trade or business.
Nobody is perfect in all fields, but ideas should be respected.

Sorry to make you feel "noise", but my ideas for the topic, not for you only! ... ha ha

by jamestoan 16/05/11, 04:38 pm

Kha..kha..
Not an aggressive man but your ideas make me not so happy and make me feel that you are trying to be a teacher of active members while your abbility is my wonder

yeutham đã viết:Well, Jamestoan!

I guess you are aggressive man, while not only you doing in foreign trade or business.
Nobody is perfect in all fields, but ideas should be respected.

Sorry to make you feel "noise", but my ideas for the topic, not for you only! ... ha ha

by Tức Anh Ách 16/05/11, 04:59 pm

Ha ha ..

Thanks for your understanding!
Cool head is needed in forum culture besides with "thanks" & "sorry" saying! That's my first lesson!

Best Regards,

by Chí Phèo 16/05/11, 05:02 pm

Hey guys!
What are you talking about? It nonsense! We are a community not private so pls thinks twice befor you talk ok? Come back to the topic!

Great and funny story about your 1st drink Toàn. Thanks for sharing your unforgettable story that going to be with u over 16 years.
What about my one? I really could not remember when and where were my 1st drink but I still remember exactly thing happen to me one time regarding to the drinking.
That was a 17 years ago summer night, our village organized a lion dance for children and I am the one who were selected to play drum while the person who conducting the lion dance was a attractive and beautiful girl. Remember that time I were 18 year old, The thing of a man inside me were good enough and I were proud of that. How to show her that I am manly? How to touch her? This was a big question mark to me! I decided to drink, drink much to gain my purpose, now think of that story I am still shy with myself. Do you know what were going on that time?
Pls continue the story of mine man!

by Tức Anh Ách 16/05/11, 05:24 pm

Ha ha, Chi,

That girl would be like to make drum with you by her stomach!

by Hoàng Hùng Sơn 16/05/11, 08:52 pm

Ah, ak ak...
Just step out for few hours, how come, oh, excellent! You guy treating me by alot of funny and debating as well.
James and Chi, thank you for your stories of 1st drink, 16-17 years ago.
My 1st drink, you may do not believe, it was 10 year old I am. Ha ha...
It was unforgettable morning, a day my mother haf leaving home, I had to take care my 2 years younger brother...
We was so hungry after teasing each other, started to dig out some thing to eat, we found at last the sticky rice wine at kitchen and opalescent-sweet alcohol. Wow, so sweet, so tasty, we finished 1/4 of 650ml bottle and start to... cry and cry after half an hour...
We cried alot till my grandfather came and asked:
- What's problem? son?
- We eat and drink sweet rice wine and drunk, grand!
- Oh, really?! Is there anymore? son, I do love it much...
Then, my grandfather start to dig it out.

@Yeutham: I do high respect your professional English, may be my English is not perfect as well, but just for fun, I still want to share much more in this topic.

by Tức Anh Ách 17/05/11, 09:34 am

HHS, please think easier for all, even members would have differents!

No problem, I am the same as not perfect & I will make you smile later.

Ha ha ...

by Chí Phèo 17/05/11, 10:08 am

yeutham đã viết:HHS, please think easier for all, even members would have differents!

No problem, I am the same as not perfect & I will make you smile later.

Ha ha ...

Respect and good behavior. I like this lady!

by CCBG 17/05/11, 11:57 am

Ah ha, Chi,

After reading your story, I understand how you called "manly" as you told me in the night on De La Thanh road... ha ha.

Could you see my man through my trousers? If yes, it is special ability that you can see girls everywhere with hard sense.

Well, let me know when we have a chance to "quẹt"!

Regards,

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